Why Spanking Matters

After experiencing such positive changes in our relationship through the use of Domestic Discipline (DD), my partner and I now find ourselves having to spend an extended time apart. And despite heroic and exhausting attempts on both sides at long distance discipline, our relationship is once again falling apart. And fast.

We've tried corner time (without the spanking beforehand), mouth soaping, scolding, essay writing and, yes, even self-spanking with him on the phone directing me. But none of it's working. I try. I do my best to participate fully in the discipline he gives me, but the truth is that all I'm doing is going through the motions.

Don't get me wrong. I love and respect him as much as ever. Couldn't imagine being with anyone else, even though I'm not doing a good job of showing it recently. But my ability to communciate those feelings to him is slipping away again, just like it did before we tried DD.

I think it's the lack of spanking.

Without the spanking part (self-spanking does not have the same effect at all), DD loses its power for me. It's like trying to dance with my shoelaces tied together or make love with my legs crossed. It's like applauding without the performance. It's like running a victory lap without the race. It's like... well, for me at least, it's impossible.

My partner is frustrated. He's articulated to me that, "If this DD stuff is so powerful, it ought to last while we're apart." I'm frustrated, because I feel like he's judging the benefits DD has on our relationship without the presence of the key element that makes it work for me.

I've never administered a spanking, but I suspect it's very different to give one than it is to receive one. I think there's probably some catharsis in spanking someone when you're angry at them, but it's probably mitigated a lot by having to stay in control and discipline responsibly. It's a person you're hitting after all, not a pinata -- you can't just wale away until you're not angry anymore.

I suspect the benefit of a spanking for the person giving it lies largely the effect the spanking has on the person receiving it, in that the person receiving the spanking becomes calmer, more loving and more reasonable. And from the point of view of the disciplinarian, well, discipline is discipline, right? I imagine (and this is conjecture on my part) that my partner feels like I ought to be responding to whatever discipline he gives me like I respond to a spanking. Or at least responding.

But that's like saying that all sexual activity should make me orgasm, or all jokes should make me laugh.

All discipline is not created equal. Spanking creates a primal, visceral response in me that nothing else does and without it, all those wonerful feelings of trust, love and safety that DD can bring disappear almost entirely for me.

For me, DD just doesn't work without spankings. I want it to, very much, but it doesn't. And given the heavy emphasis on spanking (primarily by women) on virtually all of the DD blogs and forums, I suspect I'm not alone in this.

But why? What separates spanking from other forms of discipline? It's not the most painful -- I'd rather take a serious spanking than a mouth soaping any day. It's not even the most embarrassing -- for a lot of us, bare-bottom corner time trumps spanking for embarrassment.

1.
Spanking is physical contact with my partner. There have been lots of times in pre-DD days when my partner and I were arguing, and a little voice in my head said, 'You know, if he were to just hug me right now, I'd feel better able to see his point of view.' But that's not a realistic possibility in the middle of an argument. People generally don't want to hug someone when they're angry with them.

Spanking, however, is a very physically intimate act that doesn't require my partner to put aside his genuine feelings of anger to initiate. Like a hug, when he spanks me, I feel loved, cared for, appreciated and important. Connected. And it's all within the context of the emotions we're both feeling. Neither one of us has to set aside our genuine reactions to participate in a spanking.

2.
Spanking is mind-clearing. It's the only discipline that is intense and instant enough to clear my mind of its endless chatter about why I'm right and he's wrong and yadda yadda -- all the stuff that gets in the way of two people working things out in a loving way. Yes, I think mouth soaping is more painful, but it's a slow burn that gives me way too much time to think. When a spanking is appropriately severe, it takes me immediately out of the moment, out of my emotional reaction, out of myself. It's a time-out from the whole world, in fact, which allows me to re-approach the situation and make room for his point of view alongside my own.

3.
Spanking is sexual. Women in DD relationships, me included, spend a lot of time denying the presence of a sexual component in disciplinary spanking, but don't believe it for a second.

Yes, there is a difference between an erotic spanking and a disciplinary one, but there's no getting around the reality that both have strong sexual energy associated. We can rationalize all we want that our getting wet and aroused during a spanking is only because we are feeling our man's dominance, etc. and not because of the spanking (it's telling that that particular theory was put forward by a man, not a woman). But I call bullsh*t. Come on, most of us have been masturbating to spanking fantasies all our lives, so let's not pretend otherwise.

First of all, the buttocks are an erogenous zone. Particularly if he spanks in the "sit spot" (or "sweet spot," as it's commonly called), that yummy sexual jolt goes straight to just the right place. Second, women in DD relationships are usually spanked while naked, or at least with our bottoms -- and all the relevant sex parts -- exposed. We're also bent over and submissive -- in the same posture as we would be for rear-penetration sex, which most men (and many women) find highly erotic.


This is all good news, by the way. We spend so much time worrying about whether or not DD is really just kink in disguise, but on the level of, "if it works, who cares why," so what? Even if it is just a fetish (which I don't think is the case),
what better way to defuse a conflict than by igniting a powerful current of sexual energy between partners?

4.
Spanking is cathartic. It's the only discipline I know of that makes me cry, and especially for women, crying is an important release of tension and other intense emotions. A disciplinary session without spanking leaves me tense, irritable and still overwhelmed with all the swirling feelings that I had that caused the misbehavior in the first place (it should be said here that the majority of discipline I receive is for what my partner calls "expressing anger inappropriately"). If I have a safe way to cry those emotions out without having to defend my point of view at the same time, I can come back to the discussion in a more reasoned frame of mind.

5. Spanking is primal. Virtually every other disciplinary technique relies on higher brain functions to work. (Mouth soaping being the exception, but as discussed, it has other drawbacks). Corner time, writing lines, etc. work because they force me into a meditative state and/or because they're boring or tedious. But a dislike of boredom is a higher brain function, not a primitive response. If anything, for our primitive brain, boredom is good because it means no one's trying to kill and eat you.

But spanking is the immediate, shocking infliction of physical pain and it goes right to the center of that primitive "lizard brain" we have that responds only to intense, rudimentary stimuli. It bypasses all our reasoning skills and fancy higher function and goes straight to our nervous system.

Spanking is the equivalent of the lead dog in a pack nipping another dog that's gotten out of line -- like sex, it pushes intinctual buttons and sends signals that resonate with the core of our inner being. And because spanking reaches deeper than our conscious thought or civilized behavior can go, it has the power to evoke profound change in our attitudes and behavior.

So there is the dilemma. It doesn't seem likely that my partner and I will be together again anytime soon, as professional obligations keep us apart. But without spanking, the DD doesn't work, and without DD, the relationship doesn't work.

What I can't quite decide is whether ineffective discipline is better for the relationship than none at all. I'm tempted to suggest to him that we simply put a moratorium on DD until we're together again, given that it's not working anyway and is likely doing nothing but undermining his faith in the idea as a whole. But on the other hand, maybe it's better to go through the motions rather than abandon it altogether. After all, it's not completely ineffective. Just mostly.

I'm thinking that we need to spend less less thinking up creative (but ineffective) long distance discipline and more time figuring out how to spend more time in the same room with me bent over the bed and him holding the paddle.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Every time I read one of your posts, it really gets me thinking. Thank you for sharing your intimate details, especially about the not so perfect parts. That really helps!

D. said...

Discipline is very much an 'in the moment' thing, imho. Certainly in my relationships, the only thing that has persisted across time/distance separation is the D/s aspect, rather than the discipline/SM side of things.

Vivian said...

Thanks for posting, D -- I'm intrigued by the distinction you draw in your comment. Can you elaborate on your thought?

D. said...

Hrm... possibly the distinction is just personal semantics, but let's see.

Attempting an analogy, for me SM is to D/s what sex is to love. Sex (or SM) is a simple physical pleasure - it can be anything from a fun way to pass an hour, to a mindblowing physical experience - but you need love (or D/s) to make an emotional connection alongside the physical pleasure, which is when it becomes something special.

If you're on a business trip, you don't (usually) remember the person you love by thinking about the last time you fucked them... or by having phone sex (okay, I have to admit, I never did get the point of phone sex - maybe I'm the odd one out here). You think about the way they make you feel. Equally, I think trying to capture the D/s dynamic by approaching it through long-distance SM games is possibly a somewhat roundabout route to the underlying truth that will comfort you while you're apart.

Pandora said...

I think this is spot on. I'm particularly impressed by the way you've articulated the sexual component of spanking. That energy is very powerful indeed: it can't resolve a conflict which is centered around an actual issue, but if a conflict has moved on from the issue and into emotional arguing-about-arguing, then spanking is an extremely useful tool for diffusing the emotions in a positive way. Same principle as make-up sex, I guess, only with the added intimacy of the power dynamic.

(Obviously) I agree with D. above that for me it is the trust of the power exchange which fuels a discipline relationship, not the physical discipline per se. But then, we are unapologetic about using Dominant/submissive language, which a lot of people in DD relationships are uncertain about. I don't want to put you into semantic boxes you aren't comfortable with :) Nonetheless, I'm becoming increasingly happy understanding the way my submission and my autonomy interact, and I personally feel that all successful DD relationships have a strong emotional Dominant/submissive component, whether it is acknowledged or not.

Vivian said...

I agree that the D/s energy between the two partners is what ultimately holds the relationship together. I want to respect and love my partner because, well, I respect and love my partner, not because if I don't, I get spanked. This is my partner's point, and his frustration with why DD doesn't hold very well when we're not together.

The problem for me, though, is twofold:

1. the thing that for me recharges that wonderful D/s energy is the spankings. Too long without one and the battery runs a little low.

2. Spanking is the only thing we've found that defuses a tense situation (for me). That means that if we have an argument over the phone, it's most likely going to escalate and cause a rift in the relationship. Too many of those rifts and the D/s energy, for me, doesn't hold.

-Viv

Mary said...

I would have liked to tried more of the long distance discipline, but in our case it doesn't work for him. He preferes to spank. So that means that the rules lax a little while he is away - he leave a bit more up for my judgement. However an accounting is due upon his arrival - or before if asked. The consequences add up. So it often means a long hard to cope with- but effective spanking. However - there are those times that I feel it is unfair to have things keep adding up on me - when I can already admit I need a spanking. Then as an insentive - to reign myself in he will "allow a defferal" of a certain amount of spanking earned if I can get myself in check and together for the next days or week we are apart. This "defferal" is very helpful in helping me find my self control - because at a certain point the spank earned is so much I just don't care and give up, then being able to delay some of the already earned punishment really motiviates me to get on track before he gets home. Also - after multiple reunions delayed because of spankings that need giving I become determined to be not only good but great while he is away - which is ohhh so much fun!

A Loving Domestic Discipline Marriage said...

Have you thought about talking with him and seeing about finding someone who can correct you when he is away.. I am looking into finding someone for a friend, cause she needs that accountability but isnt in a relationship at the moment. So on a website that offers ads, you can post what kind of person you are looking for. Alot of them will be more then willing to have a non sexual relationship with you, and still follow your limits. He could be on the phone while your being spanked so he hears it. And you could write out a little bit about it and post it on the web.. I am required to post my punishment spankings with pictures if there are any. Here is an example of what I have to fill in.. Something might come out of it if you had someone to dish out your punishments while he is away, and then filling this out. Good luck

Punishment
i. In this case, the spouse is to specify why she was being punishment.

2. Date
3. What did the spouse do what you did to earn your punishment?
4. Does the spouse think the punishment was deserved? If not, why?
5. How did the spouse feel during the event?
6. Did the spouse cry?
7. If the spouse was spanked, what was used, and what kind of condition is your bottom in? Pictures and video maybe used to document this as well.
8. Did all components of the punishment get completed as instructed?
9. Was the punishment effective, and was it appropriate for the offense?
10. Which part of the punishment does the spouse think will have / has had the greatest effect?
11. Was what the spouse did worth the punishment she received? Will she do it again if the punishment is harsher next time?
12. How long did it take you to complete your punishment?
13. Is there anything the spouse would have changed about her punishment? If so, what? (Be specific)
14. If placed in the corner, how long? What were you thinking; did it heighten or make the spanking worse? What position where you in? Nose to the corner, hands to your side, over your head, legs apart or together ECT. Where you sent back to the corner after the punishment and if so how long? Were you made to sit on your spanked bottom, stand, what were you thinking? If corner time was used, were you placed in the corner, spanked, corner, and then spanked again?

Anonymous said...

I really like your observations! I think they apply equally well when it's the male bottom being reddened. I have a female friend who spanks me on occasion and I certainly feel connected and focused during the event. I wish it would happen more often.

Anonymous said...

Vivian, thank you for your openness and honesty. The issues you raise are most intriguing. If your partner is puzzled or frustrated that D/D does not work when you are apart then he is missing, IMHO, a vital understanding to the essence of D/D which is the sense of intimacy that is created between the two of you when you are 'playing'together.

My sense is that your problems stem from him not quite being able to play the game - this means being able to move between two completely different positions. D/D has to be played within an magic make believe circle where both partners are agreeing to give up a real equality which exists outside the circle. Once within they adopt d/s roles which are always at some fundamental level a fiction, they play characters which are not really their true selves.

It seems to me that from other writing on your blog in which you have given information about your lives, that you two work together, and that there have been times when your real power in the outside world has seriously challenged his, and that he doesnt seem to be able to handle it.

Could you Vivian, and could he, in all honesty handle the fact that perhaps you Vivian are actually more powerful than him in many situations in real life? And that it is your fantasy world that enables you to act out the d/s roles so satisfyingly?

This obviously cannot survive without the intimacy of your connection in regular real life meetings.. and no close relationship can survive without the kind of nourishment that takes place in one on one time together.

It seems to me from what you write that he is more attached to keeping the D/D going over the phone than you, that he is perhaps more threatened by the fact that it does not work that well unless he is actually with you.

There seems to be a way in which he is not actually able to truly 'meet' you.

One question that needs to be answered is by what circumstances are you parted? Is it his choice or yours to work/live in a way which keeps you apart? And are these choices due to pursuing work commitments? And if so whose work is more successful and thriving?

If the answer is that you are appearing to be more succesful in work than him, then I think that might present real problems for him, if he is not truly grounded in the principle that D/D is a role play thing within the relationship and not something that he should able to sustain over you in real life situations involving other people being present.

ie in the sense that if you were in a board room together commenting equally on a project, it would be completely crazy for him to try and dominate you - or not treat you as anything else but equal.

I can see how much you want the relationship to flourish and how much he means to you, but I have the sense from reading what you have written on your blog that he really isnt quite as strong and secure inside as you would like him to be.

How much would he be willing to engage with all the issues you raise here?

If he could do so to your satisfaction, I think you would both have a much greater hope of a happy future together.

I can see how much you would like the relationship to continue, that there are many wonderfully satisfying elements to it and I hope things work out for you both in the end

all best

Axel

Anonymous said...

Another great post, Vivian!

Any kind of long-distance relationship is difficult (I can say from much experience), and a D/s one is especially difficult precisely because you can't get your hands on your partner.

I had a long-term (multi-year) relationship with a submissive partner where she had to move out of state. This meant seeing her at most four or five times a year, usually for a long weekend.

To make this work we tried quite a number of things. However, I don't think it would have worked at all without a lot of commitment on both sides and a very high degree of real intimacy. That intimacy was aided by consistent phone calls (about once a day) where I checked exactly what was happening and immediately took care of any problems.

One thing that helped is that she was very responsive to my voice and what I said to her. By talking with her in a way that captured her imagination and keep her thinking about the intimate nature of our relationship, she was able to get some physical response. So, I think this was part of what worked for us.

The other thing that seemed to work, at least for long periods, was very consistent requirements for her to show her submission physically. This usually meant stripping naked and performing specific acts to specific specifications. The submissive must have some kind of physical submission to maintain their mental submission. Taking off your clothes, even for someone who is not present, is an intimate submissive act.

For her case, I found that increasing the amount of corporal punishment for continued misbehavior was not practical. As the other Anonymous pointed out, the submissive gets to the point where she doesn't care. So, instead, I extended her corner time a little bit for each additional misbehavior before she got her punishment when I at last got to see her. This increased the intensity of the punishment without getting beyond a reasonable pain point.

Probably you've moved on from this remote situation to one where you are both together. But, for those who are in this situation and find this post, maybe this will provide you with some positive ideas for how to cope.

Anonymous said...

I have a question for anyone out there that might have an answer...I have recently had a discussion with a new "dom" I met, and we argued over what I consider a "Need" for discipline/spanking in my life opposed to "Wanting" it. He said a need and a want are the same thing, and unless a sub can go to her DD and ask for the spanking he/she is in serious denial and needs mental help. I was shocked! I tried to explain, that if I misbehave, and I have to go to my dom and say,,(When the football game is over, I was bad can you spank me?) I would not take the spanking seriously, it we lessen the value of it, and take away any possibility of learning from it> am I alone in my thinking? I guess I want the Dom to notice my weak area's and react to them. So thats it! thanks for listening!
Cassie

Vivian said...

Hi Cassie,

Thanks for writing and commenting. I'd be happy to give you my take on your question. Perhaps others will weigh in as well.

I suspect ultimately your dom is right. Expecting him to do the work of disciplining you feels great -- it's the fantasy, of course, that someone else will do the work of loving us, disciplining us, setting boundaries for us.

I believe DD is valuable as a way of teaching us how to set our boundaries and take care of ourselves. In a sense, it's "training wheels" on the bicycle that we all need to learn to ride for ourselves.

But ultimately, if spanking is to be transformative and the agent for genuine psychological growth, it needs to be a way to teach us how to be a good internal parent to ourselves. That is, to be a healthy adult requires being our own internal disciplinarian, rather than relying on others to do it for us.

That's not to say that once that ability to parent ourselves is internalized, spanking should stop. But at that point, perhaps it transitions to more of a playful activity, rather than serious discipline.

And of course, this is a process that can't be rushed. It may be that while your dom's instinct to encourage you to set your own internal boundaries and ask for what you need as an adult is a good one, but perhaps it's rushing the process -- usually not a good idea.

Probably not what you want to hear, I know...

Warmest,
Viv

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